Greenzap

By Joel Comm July 19, 2005 70 Comments   

Several years ago, I had a chance to get in on the ground floor of an Internet company. I thought about, talked with my brother about it (since he is the one that turned me on to the site), and then finally decided not to. My big regret is that the company in question did very well in the public offering and has become an icon of the Internet. Oh, well, hindsight is 20-20. Today’s Family First Site is a site that is just starting, has a lot of potential, and you have a chance to become one of the first to use it.


The name of the site is Greenzap.com. GreenZap is for anyone (including all of the frustrated online spenders) who, for the first time, have a legitimate alternative to turn to when it comes to owning an online spending account. You aren’t limited to that other gorilla site that seems to be everywhere, if you know the one I mean. GreenZap can be used to purchase goods on eBay�, Yahoo Auctions, GreenZap Storez, and hundreds of other consumer-driven sales sites.
Opening an account is simple and free. You just follow the link, and fill out the form. If you open an account using a current member’s ID, then you will receive $25 in WebCash. WebCash can be used as a way to pay for your GreenZap transaction feez as well as a unique way to pay for part, or all of, products being sold at our GreenZap Storez where hundreds of online merchants will soon be offering thousands of brand name products and services. The only difference between cash and WebCash is that WebCash can only be used on the web.
You can bid on items in the Auctionz section, and coming soon you will be able to buy items such as clothes, books, and other consumer good in the Storez section. You can pay for the items using either WebCash, money, or major credit cards.
This site is a well designed and seems to be set up to be an efficient operation. It is new, so you get the chance to get in on the ground floor of a new online business site. It’s free to join, so check it out!
http://www.greenzap.com/

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70 Comments to “Greenzap”
  1. Updater says:
    March 13, 2009 at 8:37 am
    The WHOIS for DebitCard123.com has been made public, bogus as it is. The DebitCard123.com domain has been suspended. Law enforcement must be on their scent.
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  2. TK2 says:
    March 12, 2009 at 4:04 am
    If DebitCard123.com or GreenZap.com sounds familiar in any way and at any point you gave GreenZap your account info - change you bank account now!!! I KNOW these companies are connected in some way. I had a checking account that was mainly used as a savings account as it had a great interest rate. I wrote three checks a year from that account to the same people for the last 10 years, so the account info itself was not out there much to begin with. The one and only time I ever gave the account info out was to register with GreenZap - back in 2005 or 2006. The more I learned of the company the more it just didn't sound right, so I never used their 'service'. No transactions were authorized, no transactions took place, and I basically forgot about the company until recently. At the end of 2008, a withdraw of 119.95 showed up on my statement. After getting more info from my bank, it was in the form of a check made payable to DebitCard123.com (memo area said Inquiries call [phone number removed], signature area said 'Authorization on File'). I looked up the website, tried a WhoIs search, and called the number thinking maybe it was a honest mistake and easily fixed... wrong. The following month another 2 bogus checks were submitted - one for just under 10.00 and another for 129.97. The smaller one cleared, but was able to stop the larger one just because the bank knew something was going on from my previous contact with them and they called me. Another interesting angle is the same day this account was closed DebitCard123.com tried doing ACH (electronic) transactions. One was for a deposit of .13 and then a withdraw of 1.25. It seems this is common practice for fraud people to see if the account is still open. Point being, once your information is 'out there', be it with an existing company, one that was sold, one that went bankrupt... whatever - your account info is still there sitting in someones data bank - be it the company itself or a process agent they use. Both of these companies speak for themselves - claiming to provide international 'service', while hiding their true identity and any reals means of contacting them. Check archive.org or a WhoIs search. Do yourself a favor and have some peace of mind in the future, if you EVER gave GreenZap your info, or if DebitCard123 has shown up anywhere on you statements, change your account ASAP...
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  3. ruben says:
    January 13, 2009 at 3:12 am
    no funciona ninguna web que pasa con la compañia ya no existe??? un saludo ruben
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  4. Kat says:
    April 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    Hi a few years ago I signed up like many to this online company called Greenzap. www.[deleted by admin, questionable site] (this company website is up not sure it's functioning though as some elements do not work.) if you had others sign up they would give you like $10.00, $25.00 whatever!11 they were suppose to end up being like Paypal, but nothing ever happened with the company and no one could ever get their money out of the greenzap. I could never figure out how to close down my account with them and so I forgot about them. Then just last week I got a debit in my checking account for $19.95 the company front name was Esafe, I've never heard of this company and called my bank, they gave the number and then I went on a roller coaster with a mired of phone calls to figure out who this company is and why they were charging me $19.95. Finally today I got a hold of lady name Laura, whom I had talked to last week and she was suppose to get back to me and never did, yesterday she said they were once Greenzap and that Larry Wilcox from Chips whom I did speak to bought into this company and the gal Laura tole me that I was guaranteed to make at least $40.00 or more a month. I said how did you get my information? what is this for? she finally did tell me it was from Greenzap the company was bought and sold to Larry Wilcox possibly google and another company, but I could never get out of her how I would make this money and how they got my information. Apparently a lot of people are beings scammed by this. The bank asked me for the phone number to the live person because they get a lot of phone calls from customers all the time wondering who this Esafe is, they also go under another name or use a company called check gateway to collect the funds. I am very bothered by this because it's been like 2 or 4 years ago I signed up with this company (Greenzap) and now I had to shut down my checking account incase they would try to scam me for more money or sell my information. I still do not understand how this could happen since I never gave Greenzap permission to sell off my information or to get involved in any deals like this. I am so pissed off! People if you have dealt with Greenzap in the past change your checking accounts to a fresh new account. Do not give your personal information to any company you do not know is legitimate and has not functioned for awhile. As for Greenzap now ESAFE it's a total SCAM! shame on them and anyone involved with buying it and taking money from people unaware of what's going on.
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  5. greenfraud says:
    April 1, 2008 at 1:47 am
    BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS! Yet noone is making any money!! Anyone get any money yet? Your 'make believe' $25 ever add up to anything? Like all the spam you get?? who do you think is selling your info??? FRAUD SCAM STAY AWAY
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  6. windsocklady says:
    August 2, 2007 at 1:03 pm
    I have just been the victim of a fraudulent check scam and, everyone I've talked to who was also victimized was at one time a member of Greenzap. I was a long time ago, but never used it and got rid of it. It seems they did NOT get rid of me. The FBI, local police and TV stations, and the FTC have all received reports. We who are victims believe that Greenzap is at the bottom of it.
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  7. LuvNLife says:
    January 8, 2007 at 7:25 am
    Scott, Interesting comment you made: "the program works for which it was intended." So, is Greenzap now licensed in all 50 states with the US Treasury (as required by law) to act as a payment processor? That was, after all, their stated intention. Also, you mention it's been working for you buying and selling. On what venues are you buying and selling with Greenzap? Just curious, since it's banned on eBay, and except for the internal stores through affiliate links, nobody recognizes or accepts the company or it's webcash Thanks, Jerry
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  8. Scott Wilson says:
    October 19, 2006 at 3:45 pm
    You know, to each their own, but, I've been using them for quite some time and have never had a problem. All my transactions have gone through without a hitch, whether I'm buying or selling. It's a bit frustrating not being able to talk with a real peron when you do have a problem, but I've had real good success resolving my problems , including refunds when using the online form. As far as the accounts, they can be closed by simply requesting it via the online form and Greenzap will refund any cash held in your account excluding WebCash. Not sure what everyones problem is, but if you don't like the site, then don't use it, but at least allow people to make their own determination without all the personnal opinions. Good, bad or indifferent, the program works for which it was intended. No company is perfect and they do tend to move a bit slowly at implementing new solutions or ideas, but the do make progress. Just my two cents.
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  9. Alex says:
    October 19, 2006 at 8:29 am
    Damon is a thief. He was born a thief. Owes me in excess of 100k...I have his exact address if anyone is interested. Located right in PS Buisness Parks off of Barnes Canyon Road in San Diego.
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  10. Joer says:
    October 6, 2006 at 4:13 pm
    I noticed there was an unknown transaction on my checking statement this month. I called the phone number, which was listed along side the other info regarding this transaction. I got an automated message saying "thank you" for verifying my account with Green Zap! Now I knew that I had never verified my account and knew that the $19.50 was a bogus charge, so I called my bank and placed a stop payment on any future Green Zap "tranzactions". Before doing this though I attempted to log-on to my GZ account (which I had foolishly signed up for last year) and all I got was a notice informing me that my account was closed due to my not keeping some agreement. Strange, because all I had previously done was sign-up and then send a few friends some info about doing the same. I now definitely know that I was scammed from the get go!! They are never going to become a payment processing firm and only want easy money from unwitting people (like I used to be).
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  11. kiwilucky says:
    September 28, 2006 at 9:14 pm
    Hello, from New Zealand. Thank you all for comments referring to GZ. May I make a suggestion in regards to ....they still do not provide a way to quit the service so that you can opt out...When applying an email address to any registration it may be prudent to apply an address that is infrequently used and should a website have no opt-out included, you can deactivate by closing your email eaccount. Email accounts whether provided for free or paid e.g your ISPs, Gmail, hot mail etc have these options available, therefore if those websites you registered with allow forwarding your email details etc to third parties, those third parties and the website you registered will receive email address not valid or something to that extent. .. Just a suggestion!!! Interesting comments made.... current GZ member.
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  12. Jeri Gray says:
    August 4, 2006 at 10:06 pm
    I upgraded to Gold by depositing $100 to my Greenzap account. I sure wish I had done some investigating first. By depositing, Greenzap turned my $100 into Webcash which is worthless. They also generously gave me $325 in Webcash which is also worthless. I tried to spend it at one of the stores that they have listed in their Storez. Buy.com was listed as one of their Storez. I emailed Buy.com and they said they DO NOT accept Webcash. I just got scammed.
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  13. LuvNLife says:
    March 22, 2006 at 6:46 am
    Wow! It had been a while since I'd visited the site. How nice to see none other than the now FORMER head of GreenZap, Mr. Alex Sonkin, had posted as GZ2006. Alex's style is (or, should I say, WAS) fairly easy to spot; out of the entire GZ camp, he's (was) the best writer by far. Also, he's fixated with "PayPal Wars", and has tried to use that to deflect negative attention from GZ for some time now. Alex figures he can go on the "offensive" regarding naysayers by pointing to them as eBay and/or PayPal employees, out to do in the young upstart company. Bear in mind Alex resigned from GZ earlier this month. Well, ya know, there's one quick, simply way to slay the GreenZap dragon: Ask them to show you proof that they're registered with the US Treasury (as required by federal statute) and with all of the state governments that require it. Just ask them this one simple question, and see what kind of answer you get. That will show you whether GZ is a total fraud or not. PS: For those that hate wo wait for answers, they do NOT have any such proof of registration or licensing. Period. Jerry
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  14. LuvNLife says:
    March 22, 2006 at 6:34 am
    Wow! It had been a while since I'd visited the site. How nice to see none other than the now FORMER head of GreenZap, Mr. Alex Sonkin, had posted as GZ2006. Alex's style is (or, should I say, WAS) fairly easy to spot; out of the entire GZ camp, he's (was) the best writer by far. Also, he's fixated with "PayPal Wars", and has tried to use that to deflect negative attention from GZ for some time now. Alex figures he can go on the "offensive" regarding naysayers by pointing to them as eBay and/or PayPal employees, out to do in the young upstart company. Bear in mind Alex resigned from GZ earlier this month. Well, ya know, there's one quick, simply way to slay the GreenZap dragon: Ask them to show you proof that they're registered with the US Treasury (as required by federal statute) and with all of the state governments that require it. Just ask them this one simple question, and see what kind of answer you get. That will show you whether GZ is a total fraud or not. PS: For those that hate wo wait for answers, they do NOT have any such proof of registration or licensing. Period. Jerry
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  15. Don't be ridiculous says:
    March 18, 2006 at 12:30 pm
    Regardless of whether or not Greenzap is a scam, this site can't get in trouble for linking to them.
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  16. Richard says:
    March 18, 2006 at 8:32 am
    If this is a family site why do you have your Referral link to greenzap at the top? If I were you I'd remove this thread before you find yourself in trouble. The feds are about to close Greenzap down.
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  17. DontWasteYourCash says:
    March 2, 2006 at 11:15 am
    GreenZap is a huge scam.If this is a family site, it has a responsibility to do due diligence on GreenZap, and see that WebCash can only be used as "discount coupons" -- and you can get the same or better discounts elsewhere on the web for free.

    It's ridiculous and laughable that the big GreenZap supporters accuse everyone else of working for eBay or PayPal. Well, here's a news flash: GreenZappers get "paid" for referrals, so everyone who's touting GreenZap is working for GreenZap. Sure, GreenZap is only paying them in fake money, but the GreenZappers don't know that yet.

    I don't work for PayEnemy and I'm certainly not touting their service. Simply writing your own check and sending it to the person you wish to pay is safer, cheaper, and faster than GreenZap. So tell me, GreenZap shills, whose payroll am I on?
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  18. Dan Malone says:
    February 22, 2006 at 10:21 pm
    Maybe Greenzap will stop blaming all of its "Competitors" for all the people that are mad at them and start looking closer to home... Thanks to the internet, you can no longer con a bunch of people and then move on to the next town. Go to Zaptoday.com and you can see TONS of ex members that now want to warn people not to make they same mistakes... Now they went one further...They issued stock and in just a few months it has lost 96%... Would you be pissed if you lost 96% of your investement in a few months?
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  19. sue paul says:
    February 18, 2006 at 9:13 pm
    >Is eBay deliberately >trying to mislead people >into thinking that nobody >uses Greenzap on eBay >when in fact, some people >are using Greenzap as a >payment alternative? Greenzap isn't a payment alternative on ebay. If you read some of those several hundread listings that you are referring to you'll see some of the listings say 'NO GREENZAP ACCEPTED PERIOD' or those that do accept Greenzap are listings from people in China, Israel, or other international places....which is a deterrent for some shoppers. I even found a few people that have Greenzap banners in their auction listings however when I emailed the seller to ask about Greenzap I was told they don't accept Greenzap, the banner is just to encourage people to sign up for it.
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  20. sue paul says:
    February 18, 2006 at 9:04 pm
    Thanks mczapzap. Interesting that the webcash can't even be sent between members anymore. That webcash just loses more and more value as time moves on huh? I've already reported them to the Better Business Bureau (http://www.bbb.org/) and the Federal Trade Commission (http://www.ftc.gov/). I did that the moment they converted my $100 deposit into webcash...that was way back when they were new and there weren't all these complaints about them floating around.
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  21. dan says:
    February 1, 2006 at 4:47 pm
    greenzap is a damn scam first i was under the impression it was going to be $25.00 and this symbol($)means money not webcash which is just a crappy coupon for a percentage off and i bet i can find a better deal on any thing on the net by going toa price comparison site and damon you dumbass wheres my $50.00 dont make me go find the links and sites that say i would get $25.00 to sign up ill do it and show you the damn truth
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  22. mczapzap says:
    January 23, 2006 at 12:13 pm
    Sue, you could not give away your webcash if you wanted to, GZ has removed the functionality of sending webcash between members. my sympathy to those that got scammed. Might I suggest a BBB complaint? http://www.sandiego.bbb.org/complaint/ I know it is not much, but it only takes a few minutes. You were scammed and cheated, there is no shame in reporting it. It will also help with the formation of a class action suit down the road.
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  23. Offshore-Wealth says:
    January 2, 2006 at 3:26 pm
    Interesting, With IntGold and eGold getting hit by fed investigation, what chance does the new kid on the block have? After all, if you are located in US, you are dead. Good luck to all, Mike
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  24. sue paul says:
    December 16, 2005 at 4:39 am
    I've already reported them to the Better Business Bureau (http://www.bbb.org/) and the Federal Trade Commission (http://www.ftc.gov/). I wouldn't have done so if they would have not turned my $100 deposit into Webcash. I thought I would put $100 into my account to start a savings account that we couldn't dip into. Greenzap turned it into Webcash and gave me bonus Webcash for the deposit. I can't do anything with the Webcash. I can use it to shop at their affilitated stores (they earn money for each shopping spree you do when you go through their shopping links). I can also use it to earn cash back but I have to spend a certain percentage to get my $100 back. For example I would have to spend $1000 at a store offering 10% cash back to be my $100 back. So now I have useless Webcash just sitting in my account unused. It will remain unused and I won't give it away for free to build someone else's account, not unless I got my $100 back anyway. I could careless about any of the so called bonuses or rewardz. I wanted a savings account. I ended up losing $100 and I'm too afraid to add any more money because I worry they will just convert that to Webcash too.
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  25. guillermo says:
    December 14, 2005 at 10:34 pm
    Naysayers were right ALL along. Greenzap is an obvious scam/ponzi. WISE UP, PEOPLE!
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  26. guillermo says:
    December 14, 2005 at 10:34 pm
    Naysayers were right along. Greenzap is an obvious scam/ponzi. WISE UP, PEOPLE!
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  27. BAHHHHH says:
    November 29, 2005 at 3:44 pm
    What a joke why would ebay care about greenzap? They claim their an "Online Payment Processor" but: 1) They don't take credit cards for purchases. 2) None of their merchants list them as a payment option. 3) Ebay has banned them. You can't use them as a payment processor anywhere. Now you want us to believe that ebay is afraid of a company that just re-sells, Commission Junction stuff? Maybe there is a reasont their stock lost 83% in less than 60 days? It would only take 8 YEARS of 25% investement returns to just break even now....
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  28. truth says:
    November 24, 2005 at 12:46 pm
    AHHHHHHHHHH! I am spending my webcash in the GZ storez. All of the lying and cheating has been done by the naysayers (AKA eBay employees). Factz are Factz. GZ rocks!!! Long live GreenZap!!!!!!!
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  29. truth says:
    November 24, 2005 at 12:46 pm
    AHHHHHHHHHH! I am spending my webcash in the GZ storez. All of the lying and cheating has been done by the naysayers (AKA eBay employees). Factz are Factz. GZ rocks!!! Long live GreenZap!!!!!!!
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  30. Nick says:
    November 16, 2005 at 5:15 pm
    If anyone has real facts on Greenzap and Jet99-Mazumah-Cardglobal and Best of.com Please get back to me.These are Damon Westmorelands companys.I would like to add real facts from others on Damon Westmoreland for court.I am taking him to court for slander an threats.....
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  31. Nick says:
    November 16, 2005 at 5:15 pm
    If anyone has real facts on Greenzap and Jet99-Mazumah-Cardglobal and Best of.com Please get back to me.These are Damon Westmorelands companys.I would like to add real facts from others on Damon Westmoreland for court.I am taking him to court for slander an threats.....
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  32. Nick says:
    November 16, 2005 at 5:14 pm
    If anyone has real facts on Greenzap and Jet99-Mazumah-Cardglobal and Best of.com Please get back to me.These are Damon Westmorelands companys.I would like to add real facts from others on Damon Westmoreland for court.I am taking him to court for slander an threats.....
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  33. jordan says:
    November 13, 2005 at 12:50 am
    Killy, contact their customer care with the issue using their website and give them your zap id, and they will fix it for you quickly.
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  34. guillermo says:
    November 9, 2005 at 11:42 pm
    You all been zapped and didn't even know it.
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  35. Killy says:
    November 3, 2005 at 6:49 am
    Ok, hi everybody.. I've been greenzap ordinary member too but now duo to 1st november promises i decided to upgrade to gold account. I use mastercard for upgrade payment to gold account. But after entering numbers it said : Your account has been disabled for violation of our User Agreement. GreenZap is dedicated to maintaining safe and secure online transactions, while continually increasing user awareness on how to avoid online fraud. If you would like us to reconsider your account status, please contact us by going to www.greenzap.com and choosing the �Contact Us� link located in the upper right-hand corner of the web page. Please write us with an explanation of your account activity. Ok, i thought i entered something wrong so i write an email and explained everything but now it's 6 days and i got only automatic feedback that they will answer me.. Menwhile i checked my on-line credit card status from bank and 100$ (in my value - i'm from Sloveni) was taken from account by GreenZap inc. in 27.10.2005. So transaction was successful but i still can not log in to my now should be gold account.. So i'm a little worried.. So i wonder if anyone from u upgraded to gold and how much time does it take for u.. ? Best regards..
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  36. Sucker says:
    September 23, 2005 at 1:33 am
    GreenZap is nothing but a scam.... They told everyone it would be a $25 referral fee- that became some sort of coupon, of course no one could ever find anywhere to use this stuff they called web cash. They put up a bunch of logos fom stores like Amazon, Target, NetFlicks etc, then they got busted for it, so they pulled them down. They are lame enough to open a section called "Auctions" on their site that is just a hard coded link to ebay. They have made numerous promisses to deliver all sorts of services, but never followed through..."summer 2005" (as promissed on the site) is over, but nothing is there. They got busted for using the same server as a known scammer named Damon Westmoreland... So they just claimed he was a consultant.... But he is now the CEO.... (the consulting thing must have been a lie - who turns a consultant into CEO). The latest is a big pump and dump scheme. They "sold" greenzap to a holding company and issued 75,000,000 shares.... Then "Wall Street Capital Funding" was paid $30,000 to put out all sorts of promotions for their stock including faxes, and spamming the net. (just read the disclaimer at the bottom: "WSCF has been compensated for dissemination of company information on behalf of one or more of the companies mentioned in this release. WSCF has been compensated Thirty Thousand Dollars for coverage of NPW Development, Inc. (NPWV)" http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=iwr-095475&feed=iwr&date=[phone number removed] Suddenly Greenzap is now releasing all these press releases about itself trying to sell off some of their stock to poor fools. Anyway the one mistake they made is they are not licensed to transmit money... Anyone that has any dealings with them should report them: http://www.dfi.ca.gov/forms/tma/unlicensed_tma_complaint_form.pdf
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  37. guillermo says:
    September 18, 2005 at 9:11 am
    Further more, Damon is desparately trying to sell Greenzap as fast as he can so that he can get away from all the upgraded members' $100s and leave the scam to the new owner. This is a brilliant scam coming from a brilliant young man by the name of Damon Westmoreland. Jeff R. and Robert C. are Damon himself.
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  38. guillermo says:
    September 18, 2005 at 9:05 am
    After all been said and done, Greenzap is owned and run by Damon Westmoreland and WebCash is useless. All the upgraded members had been scammed by Damon. And found that Jeff R. is actually Damon himself. Michael Berstein and Alex Sonkin are hired to do PR work and now Damon proclaimed himself the CEO after he is no longer hide from the truth. Enough, Damon, Greenzap scam has to stop here!
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  39. jose says:
    September 16, 2005 at 9:29 pm
    hey there i am jose and i think greenzap.com is false becuase they open the supose greenzap stores the questions is ? how lond does greenzap stores will be on line when ? that is my questions anyway ?|
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  40. Concern says:
    August 16, 2005 at 11:55 am
    Ok Just to summerize over the past 10 years, based on a previous post Damon's companies have been formally investigated by: The Federal Trade Commission The US Postal Serice The Secret service The Attorney General of Alaska The Attorney General of South Carolina The State of Alabama. And this doesn't concern you at all?
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  41. Robert C. says:
    August 15, 2005 at 5:43 pm
    The other guy posting here with the name "Robert" seems suspiciously like Jeff Rogers. Read both of their posts on various sites and you will see. Jeff has many, many aliases.
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  42. Kevin Fields says:
    August 11, 2005 at 7:30 pm
    I posted this elsewhere a little while ago, I think it is worth posting here: Just because I've got the time to sink into it ... 1) FTC & Tele-Card Network> Going to this FTC site says that this was coordinated by the state-level agencies and that the cases would not be pursued by the FTC, but by the state agencies: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/11/misdfortjb.htm Following that up is a list of agencies and contacts for the cases: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/11/misdfortlst.htm There is no further information available on the FTC's Web site. The list indicates that the State of New York was handling the case against TCN. The NY State Attorney General's office has no further information about a prosecution. The only information that seems to be available is from the TheDigest.com link which was posted earlier, which is most certainly not impartial, and which doesn't provide any more information than what the FTC Web site does. Nobody is disputing that the FTC did provide some resources into an investigation. Neither is anybody disputing Westmoreland's statement that this was settled successfully and that business continued on. NET RESULT: NO PROOF THAT THIS WAS A SCAM 2) Alaska & Caruba International> Going to this state of Alaska site, it appears that the state has cleared them of any wrongdoing: http://www.dced.state.ak.us/bsc/warnings.htm NOTICE. Caruba International, after being called on the carpet by Alaska Securities, promised to reorient their marketing so that it does not resemble a pyramid scheme. We believe their retention of an honest, knowledgeable attorney points to their intention of not cheating their investors, but as with any investment, you must be careful and check into the investment thoroughly before putting your money down. NET RESULT: NO PROOF THAT THIS WAS A SCAM 3) South Carolina & Caruba International> As I've already posted, there is only a press blurb from a government publication. There is no information about this on the Web site for the South Carolina Attorney General's office, even though all press releases are up-to-date. Google provides no further information regarding any such statement from the AG's office. NET RESULT: NO PROOF (YET) THAT THIS IS A SCAM Addendum: Doing a search for any federal action against Caruba International at Standford Law School's Securities Class Action Clearinghouse at http://securities.stanford.edu/ turns up no information on Caruba International In addition to that, the state of Alabama has also filed an investigation against several Caruba International representatives for failing to be licensed security brokers in the state, similar to the charges in S.C. Again, no proof that it is a scam, only that the brokers are not in compliance. 4) USPS & ThePayLine.com> Brian Livingston's article (posted earlier) didn't really shed much light on the situation. An article published in the Tampa Tribute shed a little more light, but again doesn't go any further than suggesting that the company may or may not be reputable. http://www.adlandpro.com/archives/229.htm Again, Mr. Westmoreland says that everything was cleared and that the business was allowed to continue on. Nobody is disputing this statement, and there is no further evidence that the USPS or Secret Service took any further action. NET RESULT: NO PROOF THAT THIS WAS A SCAM ... So, apparently if a bunch of anonymous people on message boards post mis-information that you (nor I) researched, that should be taken as fact, but if the person whose reputation is being harmed by this information speaks up to defend himself, that's spin-doctoring? Ooookay.
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  43. Robert says:
    August 11, 2005 at 1:34 pm
    I am a greenzap member and I understand the definition of a pyramid scheme. GreenZap is not a pyramid scheme or an MLM. The service is free and I was able to purchase $100 WebCash to spend or to use to cover transaction fees (100 transactions), whenever I sell on eBay. This saves me a lot of money as opposed to paying PayPal through the nose. I did not upgrade to gold for any business opportunity whatsoever. The additional revenue stream that I enjoy just comes along for the ride. Before you post any more lies, it is important to know the definition of a pyramid scheme. Also, GreenZap is run by Alex Sonkin and Michael Bernstein. Damon appears to be also working on the project, and his previous projects, whether successful or not, have nothing to do with GreenZap. You appear to be just another PayPal employee trying to confuse the public.
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  44. James says:
    August 10, 2005 at 7:11 pm
    I have been a PayPal member for a long time, and it is refreshing to see GreenZap come along and offer an alternative with lower fees. I signed up for an account and everything seems to be legit with this company. It appears to me that eBay is up to its tricks again with all of the cyber-bashing of GreenZap.
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  45. biggfredd says:
    August 10, 2005 at 7:10 pm
    Robert sez: PayPal sucks completely. Just go to www.paypalsucks.com and see for yourself. The have frozen my account several times for absolutely no reason, and their fees are rediculous. I sez: I've seen more negative stuff about GZ than I ever have about PayEnemy (which is ridiculous), and PP has been around 30 times as long and has over 200 times as many accounts.
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  46. biggfredd says:
    August 10, 2005 at 7:00 pm
    Robert said: GreenZap can't stop competitors from opening accounts and fraudulently trying to sell webcash. I sez: These people are not "fraudulently" selling webcash. They can't spend it, so they're at least trying to get something for it.
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  47. Robert says:
    August 10, 2005 at 3:53 pm
    How is GreenZap a threat to consumers? I signed up and received $25 WebCash. This cost me nothing to do. I sell on eBay, so I upgraded to Gold and got another 100 transactions for $100. GreenZap can't stop competitors from opening accounts and fraudulently trying to sell webcash. When the stores open, I presume that you will see a lot of people buying up any attempts to sell webcash at a discount. I was told the buyer protection and credit cards are coming, so I will be patient. PayPal sucks completely. Just go to www.paypalsucks.com and see for yourself. The have frozen my account several times for absolutely no reason, and their fees are rediculous. Once GreenZap gets more established, they will offer PayPal true competition. The facts that you are claiming above have nothing to do with GreenZap or its service. You are barking up the wrong tree, unless you are one of those working for GreenZap's competition. If that is the case, then I completely understand your point of view. I highly doubt that you would admit it in this forum.
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  48. Inquisitive says:
    August 10, 2005 at 1:42 pm
    The above negative post against GreenZap looks pretty thorough with sources and easily verifyable facts. It seems pretty obvious that Greenzap and PayPal are not competitors - They don't offer the same services..... Am I wrong? does GZ accept Credit cards and have buyer protection? Does GZ offer live support? GZ might be cheaper, but based on the above, I don't see why anyone would use them. On the web cash - just go to ebay and search for greenzap - you will see dozens of people trying to dump it at pennies on the dollar. Is this a lie? Check for yourself. You can dodge all the issues and stick your head in the sand, but that doesn't change the facts. If you look at the facts, you will see that GZ is no threat to paypal, but they are a threat to consumers....
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  49. Robert says:
    August 10, 2005 at 12:18 pm
    Thanks for copying and pasting the lies and half-truths about GreenZap that were obviously spread by GreenZap competitors. I have been a member since inception. All of my emails have been answered. GreenZap has delivered on every promise made to me so far. I am patiently waiting for the stores to open. I recommend that you do the same.
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  50. Numbers Guy says:
    August 10, 2005 at 12:44 am
    Jeff, The Original user agreement had Russia on the list of banned countries, you know this. The agreement text was changed to cover the obvious faux pas in the newsletter. Do you deny this? Are you now saying that Greenzaptruth, a site published by Nick "Top of the Gold Membership Pyramid" Hetcher is lying?
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  51. Jeff R says:
    August 9, 2005 at 2:10 pm
    Robert, I appreciate the fact that you are open to the possibility that GZ is the real deal. I also understand your concerns about Damon. First of all, Damon is just one of the people that is working on GreenZap. If you read Damon's bio or meet him in person, you will quickly understand that Damon has never committed any crimes or has done anything wrong in his life. He is the CEO of Mazumah right now, which creates private labeled payment application systems for corporations. That company is very successful. He has also built 15+ other companies. Some he sold for millions, others did not work out so well. He is not afraid of failing, which is a tremendous attribute for anyone to have. Every person who has accumulated wealth and has done business with millions of people, will have a few unhappy customers or ex-partners. When I first met Damon after reading all of the stuff about him, I expected to meet some evil character. He is nothing like you may expect. He has proven to me, without any shadow of doubt, that he is a young man that has a lot to offer the world. He is intelligent, has high integrity, and is living a purpose-driven life. GreenZap is much larger than just an online company with a rewards program. For them to succeed, they have to deliver a lot of value to the world. Their model creates value for merchants and for consumers. Forget about the gold membership thing. It is just a small piece of the puzzle. That part has gained too much attention. When you see this company 6 months from now, all of this talk of scam will be over and done with. This of course, is only my opinion.
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  52. Robert C. says:
    August 8, 2005 at 5:49 pm
    Jeff, if all that you claim comes true, and nobody loses on the deal, I will support Greenzap 100%. So many people have been lost a ton of money on businesses that have involved Damon Westmoreland in the past. It's very difficult to trust this man and his partners at this point. If they make good on Greenzap, I will be a believer. Heck, I might even use them at some point. But for now, I have to defend the anti-scam crowd. Many have been burned.
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  53. Robert C. says:
    August 8, 2005 at 5:38 pm
    http://www.scambusters.org/russian-scams.html Hence, the "Russian Federation". Okay, Jeff Rogers? Geez. It's not like I was revealing more truth about Greenzap or anything. Take a chill pill.
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  54. Robert C. says:
    August 8, 2005 at 5:35 pm
    Ok. Russian Federation in your context is the country. I am refering to a crime group refering to themselves as the "Russian Federation" who have made their rounds on Ebay and have scammed many. I am just warning everyone to be wary if anyone inquires about an auction who say they are with the "Russian Federation". Better to be safe, than broke.
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  55. Jeff R. says:
    August 8, 2005 at 5:08 pm
    If you read the GZ user agreement(http://greenzap.com/user-agreement.asp), you will find that Russia is not on that list of countries. Russia is on the approved country list. The Russion Federation is another name for Russia, the country. Robert, you seem to consistently report incorrect information. I have no idea where you came up with your last tidbit.
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  56. Robert C. says:
    August 7, 2005 at 8:08 pm
    The Russian Federation is a crime organization bent on scamming people out of money. They have scammed many on Ebay.
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  57. Numbers Guy says:
    August 7, 2005 at 6:17 pm
    From Greenzap Truth (www.greenzaptruth.com)a PRO Greenzap website maintained by official Greenzap Liasons: Q: In what countries is GreenZap accepted as a method of payment? A: GreenZap allows you to zap internationally all over the world. However, users in the following countries are prohibited from opening an account due to their countries laws: Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, North Korea, Sudan, Syria and RUSSIA. This is from an official Greenzap email newsletter: GREENZAP SPREADS TO OVER 150 COUNTRIES IN A MONTH. GreenZap may have been made in the USA, but it's not a product solely being used in the USA. Over 13,000 GreenZappers from China have already signed up with GreenZap, while just under 10,000 Canadians have opened an account. Other interesting fast GreenFacts: Just about 500 people from the RUSSIAN FEDERATION have gone Gold. BTW "Russian Federation" = Russia It is also stated in Greenzap's user agreement that you can't have an account if you're in Russia. So the article in the Newsletter was a lie. Can you trust a company that lies to you?
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  58. Jeff R. says:
    August 5, 2005 at 5:56 pm
    Jess, After meeting the corporate team of GreenZap and successfully withdrawing my earned rewards to my bank account, I am convinced that GreenZap is the real deal. Most of the stuff I read about them in these scam sites is unfounded mis-information. The stores are scheduled to launch in September. You can contact GreenZap using the contact system on their website. If you have questions, I suggest you go to www.zaptoday.com and post them there. Some of GreenZap's liaisons operate that site and will be able to answer your questions directly or put you in touch with GreenZap management. I hope this helps.
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  59. Jess says:
    August 5, 2005 at 12:09 pm
    So whats the deal? Is Greenzap a scam or is it legit? I wrote and asked when the stores would open but no one has gotten back with me yet. If someone could give me info on who to contact to find out if this is legit let me know
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  60. Jason S. says:
    August 4, 2005 at 4:26 pm
    The GeoTrust logo is not gone. If you login to your account, you will see the logo after you login, which is where is should be, certifying all the https pages are indeed secure. Also, you are now able to click on the seal and see it's authenticity I noticed last night. Happy Zapping, Jason
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  61. Jeff R. says:
    August 2, 2005 at 3:43 pm
    Jerry, GreenZap management has informed me that GreenZap is in the process of getting licensed in every state throughout this country. They have also informed me that PayPal, themselves, have not yet completed all of the licensing processes. In fact, they are not yet licensed in the State of New York. Why? Because the process takes a very long time to complete. So if being unlicensed is illegal, then PayPal is operating their business illegally as well. I recommend you do your due diligence fairly and broadly. GreenZap has done nothing wrong, and since they are a young company, it is easy to pick on them. Since I have met with them, I feel that I should share my experiences and due diligence with anyone who is interested in the truth. You seem like an intelligent fellow, and I am confident that if your intentions are pure, you will eventually realize that you are fighting for the wrong team. Just look at eBay's track record of price manipulation...very typical of an unchecked Monopoly. There aren't too many left out there. Have you read PayPal Wars yet?
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  62. Jeff R. says:
    August 1, 2005 at 7:12 pm
    Also: Half of the posts that have used my name are from your buddies, Jerry, that continue to lie about GZ and assume my identity. I am one person, and anyone can tell by my writing style that I do not assume multiple personalities like you suggested...just another in your string of lies. The game is over, Jerry. You and your eBay/PayPal liars have been uncovered. Just admit that you are the one that started the unsubstantiated lying about this PayPal competitor.
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  63. Jeff R. says:
    August 1, 2005 at 7:07 pm
    Jerry, Your problem is that you have decided to focus on all of the wrong details while supporting a completely unfounded, rediculous theory. You claim that a company (your competitor) offers a free service and is a scam. You remind me of the average OJ trial juror who thought that OJ must be innocent, because African American have been treated unfairly by the LAPD. GreenZap is a U.S. corporation, registered in Delaware. They offer a free service. The gold membership is an option that reduces sellers transaction fees. Consumers can use the WebCash in the GZ Storez. Competition is good, even though your bosses do not agree. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out your true intentions.
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  64. Numbers Guy says:
    August 1, 2005 at 2:52 pm
    Isa The debit card costs $100 and will not be available for 6 to 8 weeks if ever. The $100 will be converted into something called "webcash" and WILL NOT be available to spend using the debit card. You will have to make an additional deposit OVER AND ABOVE the $100 to use the debit card. At this point "webcash" is useless but Greenzap promises that someday it will be useful but they will not commit to a date. They will not commit as to what SPECIFICALLY you can buy. Greenzap will claim that you spend webcah on eBay. Search eBay and you will see a few listings that take CASH thru Greenzap but NOT WEBCASH. If you don't know what to believe do you own research.
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  65. Isa says:
    July 30, 2005 at 11:22 am
    Hi,yes I can imagine that it is so easy to talk bad about the competition,well I am just intrested to get that greenzap Master Debitcard, thats is for free is it not? And yes is FDIC important on those cards,can I easily deposit money on these cards? Thanks
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  66. GZ Playa says:
    July 29, 2005 at 9:58 pm
    Hello everyone. I am a Greenzap member. But I can assure you that I am not on all of these blogs spreading lies about my competition like this Jerry character. This guy obviously works for a GreenZap competitor. I wonder which one? Anyway, I want to commend Joel for stepping out and sharing the truth with others. Remember, this Jerry guy and other naysayers like him spread lies about Greenzap, they aren't just hurting referral sites like yours Joel, their hurting mine as well. We have to band together and keep exposing these naysayers for who they really are... THE REAL SCAMMERS!
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  67. Jeff R says:
    July 29, 2005 at 2:46 pm
    GreenZap's service is free and their loyalty program and low fees are an obvious threat to PayPal. Jerry (post above) has been tied to PayPal. PayPal, a subsidiary of eBay, has been cited for being responsible for disseminating cyber-slander against their newest competitor. eBay has done this before. Simply read "PayPal Wars" and you will see that eBay did the same thing to PayPal, before they were forced to buy them out. eBay and PayPal will continue to try to discredit GreenZap in an attempt to crush any possible competitors. Nice try Jerry. The GreenZap community is on to you. GreenZap Storez are set to launch in September 2005.
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  68. GZJeff says:
    July 27, 2005 at 7:10 pm
    Um, I think you need to know this. The US Treasury Department has confirmed GreenZap is NOT registered with the government as a payment processor. What that means for anyone with a family is real simple. By being able to Zap money anywhere, to anyone, with NO federal oversight, that leaves the door open to laundering money directly to terrorists. Just that simple, folks. The Gov't is now aware of this, and will be taking the appropriate steps. In the meantime, I think you're doing a disservice to every American family by leaving this propaganda on your site. Jerry
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  69. joe says:
    July 26, 2005 at 1:54 pm
    GREENZAP IS A SCAM MATE, DO NOT GO GOLD!!!
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  70. rakesh says:
    July 20, 2005 at 8:15 am
    Pls send me link for Gmail account . i would be very greatful to you thanks rakesh
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